An Hour with Elizabeth Knox
Friday, June 25th, 2010I went along to the latest in Women On Air‘s series of conversations with writers on Wednesday night. This time it was with Elizabeth Knox, most famous for her book The Vintner’s Luck. I have not read any of her books, but I do have two of them in my ever-growing pile of books to get around to sometime, and having heard her talk I am more keen than ever to get around to them sometime.
The talk was advertised as being about the role of the supernatural in fiction, but in fact Knox spent a lot of the time talking about the broader genre of fantasy, and how it relates to “literature”. It was refreshing to hear a literary giant such as herself talking about science fiction and fantasy without embarrassment, and adopting the notion that SF&F books and writers have something to contribute as a default position, rather than being embarrassments to be hidden away from the sight of decent folk.
The compere started proceedings by commenting on the appropriateness of talking with Knox about the supernatural in Our City O-Tautahi, a wonderful building which originally served as the Christchurch City Council’s Municipal Chambers. (“Christchurch gothic at its best.”)
The compere initially asked Knox to define supernatural, which she broadened immediately to fantasy, and which question she answered piecemeal throughout the rest of the talk.
She talked about how she wavered in her own writing between using fantastical elements and not. She talked about the divide that other people see between literature and fantasy, and wanted to be taken seriously as a writer, and therefore felt obliged to downplay or remove fantastical elements from her writing. While pondering such matters she eventually realised that she was dedicated to fantasy, mostly because of her childhood love of Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who and so forth, (“it’s where I come from”) and in particular because of the “Imagination Game” that she and her sisters played obsessively as children. She alluded to this game several times during the talk – clearly it played a big part in the formation of the writer she is today. As kids they invented two enormous ongoing sagas – “supernatural soap operas” – populated with thousands of characters, some of whom they became very familiar with. They would take these characters, forged in the sagas, and place them in new and different and interesting situations and genres.
Knox is of the opinion that writing fantasy enables the writer to be honest about moral questions. That trying to discuss the same questions in realistic fiction risks coming across as didactic.
Knox likes the surprise of being presented with a new set of rules that you can find in fantasy fiction, and she likes following along as the characters in these settings learn the rules of the world they live in. Despite this, she said that she doesn’t like “portal” fiction, wherein people from our world are magically transported to other worlds. She stressed that she personally felt that such rules should be internally consistent to get the best story.
She said that lots of books these days are “catastrophic” fiction, wherein people do horrible things to each other, and she finds this distasteful. (I’m not sure, but this was in the context of discussing moral questions in fantasy, so I think that she meant that catastrophic fiction was a subset of realistic fiction.)
She has decided that what she likes to write is “Fantastic Naturalism” – strongly imagined worlds with natural and social structures that feel real but aren’t.
And of course, when it comes down to it, she “just likes making things up.”
She talked a bit about the ubiquitous vampire books, claiming that our stories of creatures that live forever derive from our fear of not being important enough in our own lives.
When asked about her foray into Young Adult fiction, she said that it had been “crazy mad successful”, not least because Stephanie Meyer blogged about her. She said that the paperback edition of Dreamhunter sold out in twelve hours. She also claimed that 20,000 copies of the audiobook version of one of her books were downloaded illegally, which she doesn’t mind – she sees it all as good publicity. And the producers of the Twilight movies have optioned one of her books. She claimed that “nerdy hyper-intelligent teenagers” liked her book Black Oxen, but that others struggle with it.
When asked about writing to the market, she claimed that she never made mercenary decisions, she simply wrote what interested her. She said that people frequently congratulated her on her canny acumen, “as if I’d thought it through!”
She talked about her current project, an epic fantasy in a world that doesn’t resemble ours very much. There are no zombies and no elves in this world, but there are creatures that are both zombies and elves. Or something.
She described fantasy as being the bastard sibling of modernism. She explained this by basically blaming modernism for the splitting up of fiction into “Literature” (good) and “Fantasy” (bad), giving examples such as Shakespeare being free to write about fairies in the pre-split literary world. She conceded that there is lots of bad fantasy around – but that of course there is lots of bad literature too. She said that literature “literary fiction” is a genre and is no better than fantasy – it just claims the moral high ground. She reckons that the best fantasy today is being published as Young Adult.
After the main talk she gave a reading from her latest book, The Angel’s Cut, which featured the surreal image of a angel with his wings cut off falling from an airplane, instinctively trying to deploy his missing wings before remembering to deploy his parachute instead.
A very interesting talk from a fascinating person.
Update: Helen Lowe also blogged about the event.









